Hello everyone, i am new to the boards.

Last Friday, i had a big night planned with friends and between 3 people decided to pick up around 1-1.5G of MDMA.

We split the MDMA between 3, so roughly had about 0.4 - 0.5g(~500mg) each split into 2 bombs, so MAXIMUM of 0.250g(~250mg) per bomb. I am not a regular user of MDMA but have done it on around 10 different occasions previous to this over a period of about 2 years using about the same dosage, possibly a bit less.

We went out, dropped both bombs over the period of the night and had an excellent night as expected, the MDMA worked a treat, we all enjoyed, but halfway througgh the night i remember having a throbbing sensation at the back of my head which turned into a mild heacahe but i was engulfed in the night too much to pay any attention to it.

After doing the MDMA last friday(28/08/09) I started feeling really shitty on Sunday after the comedown had passed. Since sunday night ive had a constant uncomfortable 'mind aching' sensation which is getting me really worried that i might have done some serious damage to myself. Im feeling slightly depressed and have a really low mood since Sunday.

I have not felt like this before when doing mdma apart from having a comedown but then after a day or to i feel normal again, but this is different. I have never known any side effect to last this long so am just wondering if i might have done some serious damage to myself? I have no underlying medical/health conditions and am in pretty good shape apart from the fact i have been smoking weed recreationally most if not every night over the past 1.5 years purely to relax and chill with friends.

Im getting increasingly worried as i cant stop thinking about it which is then making me feel down etc.

Has anybody ever heard or experienced anything similar before?

Some reassurance would be much appriciated.

Cheers.

First things first, try to calm down. If you had pure MDMA, chances are you didn't take enough to damage yourself or effect your health. Chances are if there is something wrong, it has nothing to do with your use if Marijuana or MDMA.

The "low" feeling you describe is completely normal after MDMA use, but the headache isn't. I'm sure that some people do get headaches, ranging from mild to severe because of MDMA, but as far as I've read, or experienced it's not a really common thing, especially considering that it's lasted this long.

Is it possible that your MDMA was cut or mixed with something else? Did you test it? Did you dance a lot? Did you drink enough water? What form was it in, was it a powder, a capsule, a pressed pill? You might have dehydrated yourself unknowingly & the headache is a symptom of that.

It does sound like it could be a nervous pain, or perhaps pain brought on by disturbance of the sinuses. How's your nose? Do your ears feel alright? If you're experiencing any sort of discomfort in your nose or ears, I'd say it's a sinus headache.

If not, chances are you have a migraine, that might have been exacerbated by the partying/MDMA use, which is no big deal, unless it's an indicator that there is an underlying health issue that you're not aware of. The reason I say this is because migraines can last quite a while & they can be worrisome & uncomfortable.

It could also be anxiety. Anxiety & mental state can do amazing & odd things to your body & make you feel like you're dying. One girl in clinics thought she was literally dying & couldn't see straight. Her chest hurt, her arms were numb, like she was having a heart attack & she couldn't stand on her own. We ran just about every test we could on her & found out that She was having a severe anxiety attack.

The possibilities of what might be causing this are too many to count, it could be something as simple as minor dehydration, or something as major as a serious undiagnosed condition. I doubt it's anything serious, if it were you'd probably have already had other symptoms.

I wouldn't worry too much, but if it still bothers you & you're worried about it, have a visit with your doctor. Chances are it's nothing but a little anxiety or even a sinus infection. Also, try no to worry too much, I'm sure you'll be fine & I'm sure you didn't do anything that could permanently hurt you. Good luck & please remember to let us know what happens!

EDIT: There is a small chance that you have an underlying medical condition that you're not aware of. If this is the case, you may or may not have other symptoms arise, chances are they will if you do have a serious problem, but that's not always the case. If any other symptoms develop, or you continue to be suspicious that there is something seriously wrong, it's always best to be cautious & seek medical help, if for no other reason to ease you mind. Always go with your intuition, after all you know your brain & body better than anyone.

Hello, thank you for your reply.

I'm unsure of the purity/contents of the MDMA, we bought it from a friends dealer who assured us the stuff was good, in fairness, we all had an amazing night! but its not worth the feelings i have been having.

We did not test it, I danced for at maximum a period of an hour before getting a drink, i drank 3/4 a bottle of white wine mixed with lemonade and orange squash before going out and had 2 double vodka's lime and lemonades in the club aswell as 2 cans of lager which lasted me all night, all i wanted was something to 'wet my whistle' as we would fluctuate between standing outside for 10 minutes then go back to the dance floor for an hour at max. I drank a quarter bottle of water over the whole night - should maybe have drank more.

The night at the club was Dubstep/Drum&Bass, therefore its not as mad as a say a techno/trance rave, it was more the appreciation of the music, rather than a crazy dance-your-ass off night, yes there was some dancing but nothing extreme.

The MDMA was bought in a white crystal powder with some 'rocks'. We crushed it, weighed it and split it it into 3 piles. Then divided those 3 piles by 2 making 6 piles.
Each pile was put into a rizla smoking paper and wrapped up ready for ingestion later on. The piles had no more than 0.25g(250mg) and the stuff tasted horrible like MDMA does.

Both my nose and ears are fine, although over the last day or so i think i may have caught some kind of chest infection as i am coughing up alot of flem, is this related?

I don't think I have ever had a migraine and am unaware of its definition, I always thought that it was a painful headache that made yous see stars, but what im experiencing is not painful but uncomfortable and is just always there. I am not seeing stars and my vision is as good as normal.

I dont think i suffer from anxiety problems/panic attacks and am in a pretty good healthy condition, 5'11, 12st 5lb.

When i am kept busy i tend to forget about the uncomfortableness in 'mind aching' sensation that i have, its only when i am left alone or in bed at night that i think about it. If i am with friends i also am too occupied to think about it.

I have also not used marijuana since last Tuesday as i thought that it may be the cause, and now that i have realised its not, i still am yet to smoke a Joint of any sort so am contemplating giving up completely as i have missed this clear head feeling. - saying that im going to Amsterdam on Wednesday for 4 days, but this has been booked for the last 3 months and cannot be helped.

Since having these feelings Sunday, i have been eating well, 5 veg a day etc, drinking water, taking vitamin tablets but i still seem to have this dull annoying ache which doesn't want to go away.

Today I am feeling less depressed with a bit of a higher mood and more active. I went camping last night with friends and did not participate in any drug use apart from getting slightly drunk.

I did visit the doctor last Tuesday before making this post on Friday. I explained everything to him after allowing him to inspect me and tell me there is nothing wrong with me. Then i mentioned the MDMA and he explained it is a game of russian roulette as the contents and purity of the substance cannot be verified, and unfortunately we use it all that night and disposed of the baggy. The doc also mentioned that i should cross my fingers and hope i feel normal soon and come back and see him if it gets any worse. I wouldn't say it has gotten any worse but it has stayed the same, an annoying, dull, mind aching sensation.

I agree also that i have been working myself up about it, as because painkillers paracetamol, ibuprofen etc do not work i am looking almost trying to convince myself that I have done some serious damage to myself.

I have also been doing ALOT of research and reading up about MDMA and its toxicity etc, adding to the worry situation.

Sorry about the long post, much appreciated you taking your time to help another out.

What do you think?

Also, another thing about ears, when i hold my nose and breathe out, my ears go pop, and then usually by swallowing they return to normal. Well recently id pop them and then swallow and they wouldnt return to normal instantly, it would happen gradually over a period of 10 mins.

I know this is probably nothing, but you asked about ears so i thought i should let you know.

Cheers

Thanks for the details! I'm a bit winded (I've spent the night as the designated driver at a party & there was drunken "drama" from one of my husband's friends that came with us & I didn't sleep well) so please forgive me if this comes off as spacey.

The ear thing doesn't sound like a big deal, but popping your ears a lot isn't a very healthy thing.

There is a chance that you got MDMA mixed with something else that has had a residual effect on you, unfortunately the doc is right. Buying "Ecstasy", even when from a reliable source, can be a crap shoot. There's no way to tell exactly what you ingested unless you get it tested & even than it might have been mixed poorly, so you might have ingested more of an unsavory substance than the test results will show. That being said, I believe that if something was seriously wrong, you would have had worse/more symptoms by now.

Another problem is the medical system. Doctors can be very ignorant & jaded when it comes to illicit drug use, so they tend to blame it all on the drugs, when there could be something more serious going on. It's good that you're honest with him, but that doesn't mean that he's going to take you as seriously as he would have otherwise. (I say this because of my personal experience in school & because of the experiences friends have endured because of doctors not wanting to take them seriously)

That's not to say that his diagnosis isn't correct, you'll probably feel better very soon.

I'm going to take a guess & say that you didn't drink enough water, especially considering you had alcohol on top of it, but that doesn't explain why this has lasted so long. If you were dehydrated, you would be well hydrated by now & it wouldn't explain the symptoms you're describing.

On to the migraine, a migraine is a headache, but only in the sense that it is an ache (or pain) in the head. It is not the same thing in the medical sense. A migraine does sometimes cause visual disturbances (like the seeing stars that you described), but it can cause pain all over your body as well. A migraine is actually something that happens IN your brain & can cause nervous pain. It can feel very serious & can be very serious, but it is very treatable. Do an Internet search on "migraine", you'll be surprised at what you find.

Migraines don't have to be a chronic thing, some people can have them for a very long time, while others will only have one in their lifetime. Also, they can act differently in every person, so there is rarely a cookie cutter list of symptoms that will fit everyone's migraine.

As far as researching MDMA, that's a tough one. Much of the info you're going to find is very one-sided & it will scare anyone, because it only focuses on the extreme cases, or exaggerates the data. Stop looking for this to have come from the experience, because I really don't think it's necessarily a symptom of the roll.

It sounds to me like you've either got a migraine due to stress, or a good bit of anxiety or both. (Keep in mind, that I am not a doctor, only a student of nursing, as well as a patient who does a lot of research in these areas)

I'm sure you'll be ok, but to pinpoint why or how this has happened would be hard for a medical doctor with proper training. I would only start to worry if this doesn't stop very soon, or if it stops & comes back for no reason. If you continue to get these symptoms, I'd demand that my doctor run tests to figure out what is going on. Chances are it's nothing serious, but there's always a chance that it could be.

Keep taking your vitamins, keep eating properly & keep yourself busy with healthy activities. If you are having trouble sleeping or calming down, try taking some Melatonin or some Valerian Root. You can find them both in your local pharmacy or health food store. They will make you sedated so don't take them before you have to drive or do anything important, but they will help your nerves to calm & they will definitely help you sleep much better.

I do hope you feel better soon!!! Please keep me updated! I'm going to call one of my professors and relay some of these details to him, perhaps he could give me some better advice to pass along your way! In the meantime, try to stay calm & remember that you know your body best.

Hi and welcome I agree with Muze. It could be your MDMA was cut with something unknown, giving you an unexpected reaction on your comedown. Feeling one way when you were expecting to feel another defianately has the recipe for stress written all over it, which can make you feel worse. Your immune system is also weakened a bit after you roll, so that could also be another reason you aren't feeling well. Especially if you haven't eaten right or gotten enough rest after partying.

I wouldn't worry about the headaches unless they stay a constant thing. I have what I call my "special migraines"...random, sharp, stabbing pains in my head that seemingly come out of no where. So bad, they once occurred non-stop for a weekend, eventually making me go to the emergency room. They're just stress related though, and when I really sit down and think about surrounding events in my life I can figure out something major that's bothering me. Like Muze said, everyone and everyone's situation is unique though.

How have you been feeling lately? Hopefully things have turned around?

Firstly, thank you both for your replies.

I went back to the doctors yesterday, because over the last week i have been coughing up alot of phlegm and have felt quite constricted/tight in general, I have also noticed that i have an increased heart rate (about 88bmp @ resting) and i have developed this shaking sensation in my hands. My head ache/worrying/mind aching sensation is still there but i believe i have an answer. More on that in a minute.

When i went to the doctors, a different one this time, i explained i have been coughing up phlegm etc and i showed the doctor my shakes and told her about my clogged up ears. She suggested I may have a Chest Infection and all of this may be linked, she prescribed me an antibiotic, co-amixclav. My chest feels slightly better today allready.

I then went on to tell the doctor about my rare use of MDMA and high usage of Cannabis over the last 1.5 years and then she suggested that i may have developed an anxiety disorder from the use of cannabis. This has come to quite a shcok to me as i have always knew of the side effects of the herb but never thought they would affect me. The anxiety dissorder would make everything add up, since my headache/pain/mind aching sensation appears more clear now to be more mental than physical, hence why paracetamol and painkillers wouldnt effect it.

I wouldnt say i have bad anxiety, but i am shaking very badly, even when i get out of bed in the morning, infact, id say that my grandfather aged 86 shakes less and I am only 20. I have not had any 'attacks' so of to speak but i do not feel myself, but this could be a combination of worrying and the anxiety combined. When im busy, i forget about it, but when im alone in bed or driving i cant stop thinking about it.

Last week, my mother was diagnosed with having an overactive thyroid gland and i mentioned this to the doctor yesterday. After doing some research i saw that an over active thyroid can be related to anixety but is much less common in men than women and i am young. The doctor recommend I have a blood test and i had one this morning, and am awaiting the results. In some senses i will be pleased to know that the way im feeling is due to having an over active thyroid rather than due to drug abuse, but either way it seems a lose-lose situation. When i recieve the test results, i will inform you on here of the outcome.

A few questions:

I'm going to Amsterdam on Wednesday 9th Septmeber until Saturday 12th September, this has been booked for months and at the time i did not know i would be feeling like i am now. I do not know whether my anxiety is related to cannabis or having an hyperactive thyroid, but hopefully i should know tommorrow.
Either way, when i return from Amsterdam, im going to call it day on the Cannabis front and completely stop for good. I have been meaning to do this for a while now as it just isnt as fun as it used to be and it could be affecting my health and my anxiety, but i am still going to go as weve fully paid and i wont be able to get my money back but im just going to take it easy. My question is, can i take my anticbitoic, co-amoxiclav and smoke cannabis?

Compared to some people i have read about on the internet, i feel like i am a cold/flu patient in a cancer ward as i dont compare to some people that i have read about it but nevertheless im sure cannabis is not helping the situation at all so i am going to bid farewell. I have allready gone without it for ovr a week so i wont find it hard thankfully it has no physical withdrawl symptoms.

Now knowing that i have a slightly anxiety problem has relived me quite a bit since before i thought i may have done some damage due to the MDMA, now that has practically been ruled out as the only signs of depression seem be from myself feeling anxious and not knowing that it was anxiety (if that makes sense!)

But... now that im sure it is anxiety, i have been reading up on the internet and am worrying myself that i may develop a worse case of it, or it may lead to schizophrenia or similar, i am not a hypochondriact but am so used to feeling normal and well when something like this comes along i worry and look left right and centre for a reason to explain it and cure it.

I generally feel a bit better and relieved but i still dont want this anxiety to hang around for long as my 3rd year in University starts soon and i need to focus back on my studies.

Do you have any ideas how i can can free myself from this feeling of anxiety and restore my general sense of well being.

Again i thank you for using your time to advise me.

No problem! That's why we're here!



I don't think (or see how) Marijuana would have any effect on your antibiotic. Take this opportunity to chill, & relax. Try your best not to freak out & if you use MJ while you're there, & you don't like it's effects, don't smoke anymore, no big deal. Just use the time to prepare for the next few weeks, but don't think too much! Thinking too often is a big problem for people with anxiety, & I'm getting the feeling that even if your thyroid is off, you're experiencing some severe anxiety. I've been there & it's no fun! If you are having chest problems, & coughing up phlegm, Try an alternate route from smoking, perhaps use a vaporizer, or ingest it. (try the cookies, I hear they're great!)



Marijuana rarely has any physical withdrawals, most people who quit, report a bit of aggravation, but MJ isn't physically addictive, so you should be good! It will be much easier than you expect!



It so does!



Reading on the internet is good to arm yourself with info, but in my experience, it can make things worse for those who have anxiety. I am one of those people who can't just handle a diagnosis (or a possible diagnosis) with a pamphlet & 5 minutes of advise from the doctor. I have to research & figure out all the things that could happen & how severe is could be. I have found that even thought I learn more, my anxiety levels increase & I've had to learn how to deal with the tools I've learned. I meditate if I get anxious, which helps a great deal & if I am in a situation where I feel my anxiety begin to trigger, I have learned to actually deter myself from begin anxious with breathing & calming myself. (I have learned techniques that are awesome!)

Mild hypochondria is completely normal for someone in your situation. You went from being a completely happy & healthy individual to having constant symptoms that would worry even a medical doctor in less than a few hours. You also had an experience where drugs were involved & we've been taught from an early age that drugs will ruin us if we even try them. Also having so many different options of what it could be or what it might be will make anyone more cautious.

It should also be noted that for some people in certain situations, Marijuana can calm anxiety, while in other situations it can make anxiety worse. That's the paradox of marijuana. I suggest that you take some Valerian Root capsules with you to Amsterdam, in case you experience acute anxiety from using marijuana. It will calm you down, but I have known some people who are allergic to Valerian, so if you have any allergies be careful when using it. I have found it VERY effective for acute anxiety! I have a prescription to Benzodiazepines & I would choose Valerian (which is over the counter) over them if I don't have anything big to do.

I use the powder capsules, because the whole capsule can be too strong & if I begin to have an anxiety attack, I slide the capsule open & take about a quarter of the powder by mixing it into a (non-alcoholic) drink of juice or I mix it with a spoonful of pudding. That way, if I feel like I need more, I can take more without making myself completely sedated. Don't drink alcohol with it! That could be bad!

The good news is that there are so many ways to deal with anxiety. There are very effective holistic methods, medical routes & psychological paths you can take. The trick is finding what's right for you. In your case, you might not have any problem with anxiety when you get your current medical situation under control. You might go back to feeling completely normal! If you do continue to have anxiety, it's not as serious as it might feel & it's very easy to work through when you find the right path for you.

Going back to school will probably help you a great deal with your anxiety, because it will give you something to focus your energy on.

Your best course if action at present is to go to Amsterdam, relax & have fun. When you get your test results back, figure out how to deal with your diagnosis (if there is one) & then get a feel for your day-to-day anxiety.

Then you should try to figure out how you want to deal with it, because if you begin to deal with it now, you might be dealing with an anxiety level that would have diminished on it's own.

Try to take a break from your worry & deal with one thing at a time. Trust me, I know how hard that can be, but it helps to pinpoint which of your symptoms are because of anxiety & which ones are because of something else. It will also help that you plan to "take a break" from drugs for a while. After a while you will be sure that your symptoms are not from any substance in your system.

Always remember that you are a human being, part of this great big Earth & you have a purpose here. You will be fine, even though you might feel like you've got a bad acid trip stuck in the back of your mind at all times. It will get better, & I cannot express that enough! I really hope you feel better soon & as always, keep us updated!

I cant thank you enough for your assistance, advice and reassurance.

As im in a bit of a hurry to drive to the airport, ill make this quick.

I had the test results back, which were negetive showing everything as normal.
Again its quite a relief for me as i didnt want to have to deal with having an over active thyroid for the rest of my life. So im please that can be ruled out.

I believe what you say is true, it will be good for me to go to Amsterdam, even though their MJ is strong i have a pretty big tolerence to it, but im going to take it easy and watch myself.

Ive been going to the gym the last few days as i find excersise takes my mind off things and this helps my slight anixety, and not too bad for my general well being either!

Im just trying to maintian a positive attitude and slowly trying to push the anxiety away because i have control over my thoughts and i know i can do this without the aid of medication etc.

Hopefully Amsterdam will take my mind off things and i may even forget about it alltogether as i am quite excited now! Hopefully when i return ill be feeling better and can report some positivity on these fourms to you.

Ill take your advice about some valerian root, but for the future i tihnk its time MJ and i had a divorce. Its been a good few years but everything good has to end i cant see why not now after i return.

Im generally feeling better again today as i feel slightly less anxious and am dealing with it better. Heopfully when i return it will be better again, and you never know it might be due to the chest infection i have got (which is getting better) and i think i might also be mistaking excitement for anxiety at the moment.

Anyway, whatever goings on, you've helped me a greta deal with reassurance and i will update you on my time, my state of mind and wellbeing and for this i thank you very much.

Have a good few days and i will be do a write up when i return.

Ciao!

GREAT! Have a blast & let us know how it goes!