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#155768 - 10/30/05 01:00 AM penicillin allergy + shrooms? (please answer)
CaptainFizz Offline
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Hi. So I have some shrooms, and me and two other friends intend on enjoying their wonderfulness very soon (on holloween actually!)

I have done shrooms three times before, as well as other hallucinogens so i dont need advise about the tripping. What I am wondering is this:

One of my friends is allergic to penicillin and she read somewhere that people that are allergic to penicillin can have allergic reactions to shrooms.

First of all, is this true?

second of all, if this is true then what would happen if she ate the shrooms? Since allergic reactions can be anywhere from sneezing to dying, I really dont know what the extremity of this could be.

I really don't want my friend to eat shrooms and then become deathly ill or sumthin so I must know.

No offence to everyone but I don't care about someones "opinion" on this. I am just looking for an answer from an educated person who knows the answer for sure. I really dont wanna risk the health of my friend so any knowledge someone might have on this would be greatly apreciated.
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#155769 - 10/30/05 12:30 PM Re: penicillin allergy + shrooms? (please answer) [Re: CaptainFizz]
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All i can offer is my opinion as there is very little information on this, I seriously doubt that there would be any interactions from a penicillen allergy and psilocybe mushrooms, unless there was penicillium (sp?) actually growing on the mushrooms, psilocybin and psilocin don't structurally resemble penicillen. Has your friend tripped on mushrooms before? Again i think u have as much chance of an allergic reaction to penicillen due to mushroom consumption as u would have a nut reaction from sunlight. If your mushrooms are moulded at all i wouldn't eat them.
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#155770 - 10/31/05 03:07 AM Re: penicillin allergy + shrooms? (please answer) [Re: Eeyore]
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Quote:

unless there was penicillium (sp?) actually growing on the mushrooms, psilocybin and psilocin don't structurally resemble penicillen.




This is also the best explanation i've heard for this rumour. I haven't seen anything 'authoritative' on it.
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#155771 - 10/31/05 04:28 PM Re: penicillin allergy + shrooms? (please answer) [Re: CaptainFizz]
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i have never heard of a penicillin-allergic person cross-reacting with magic mushrooms.

the symptoms of a dangerous allergic reaction is you start to have swelling and (very dangerously) have difficulty breathing. epinephrine, usually administered in a deep tissue injection/muscle injection in the thigh, is the treatment for any allergic reaction of this nature.

approximately 5% of patients are allergic to penicillin as proven by skin testing, although the number of people reporting penicillin allergy is 10% (the increased number probably demonstrates that a large proportion of people are actually allergic to other pill-binding components; additionally, some people take amoxicillin or penicillin when they have mono and break out in a rash which is not an allergic reaction but rather an immungenic reaction resulting from specific viral interactions of the immune system: in short, if you have mono, were (mistakenly) prescribed amoxicillin and broke out into a rash, you don't have a penicillin allergy).

the rumors of mushrooms/penicillin allergies may have started with the above suggestion that penicillium mushrooms are the species that penicillin was discovered from by alexander fleming 80 years ago; initial usage of antibiotics was from harvesting the mold and administering it to patients (usually they didn't do so well). now we synthesize the molecule, named penicillin. however, people who are allergic to penicillin don't usually have mushroom allergy, even to the penicillium species. again, 5% of people have true penicillin allergy. 5% of the general population is not being rushed to hospitals because of mushroom allergy attacks.

magic mushrooms are not of the genus penicillium (they are a different genus and species such as psilocybe, panaeolus, etc).

bottom line, i don't think that there is any documented cases of penicillin allergy reacting due to mushroom ingestion. therefore, i would presume that ingesting mushrooms with a penicillin allergy is not higher than ingesting mushrooms without a penicillin allergy. however, i have not been trained in allergy/immunology and haven't heard of crazy, once-in-a-lifetime cases that only the specialists hear about. but again, if 5% of people have a penicillin allergy, well, that's a big enough population that cross reactivity with mushrooms has a reasonable chance to be discovered if it did exist. and it doesn't look like it's been reported in the literature.
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#155772 - 11/01/05 02:43 AM Re: penicillin allergy + shrooms? (please answer) [Re: kennyg]
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Plus of course, the fact that she's worried about it, whether it is real or not, may become very significant! Ie if it's still a real risk in her mind, it may panic her, and she may perceive allergic reaction in the distortions caused by mushrooms.

Quote:

No offence to everyone but I don't care about someones "opinion" on this. I am just looking for an answer from an educated person who knows the answer for sure. I really dont wanna risk the health of my friend so any knowledge someone might have on this would be greatly apreciated.





I also wanted to add that all information given here remains some punk's opinion, and is not given in a professional capacity.

All drug use involves risks.

Think carefully about how much risk you assume for your friend's choices. She decides what she does and bears the responsibility in the end.


Edited by ernestrome (11/01/05 07:58 AM)
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#204201 - 10/28/09 09:56 AM Re: penicillin allergy + shrooms? (please answer) [Re: CaptainFizz]
Fowl Offline
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Registered: 10/28/09
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I know a guy named "me".
Me has a severe allergic reaction to penicillin.
Me has used shrooms dozens of times and i still in the practice.
You and your friend shouldn't be concerned with this rumor.

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